Not logged in. · Lost password · Register
Forum: technical discussion software RSS
AARGH: OS X's scrolling behavior is driving me nuts!
Page:  1  2  next 
Avatar
Simon #1
since Feb 2006 · 1803 posts · Location: in front of my Mac
Group memberships: co-owner
Show profile · Link to this post
Subject: AARGH: OS X's scrolling behavior is driving me nuts!
OK, this is something that is driving me crazy. Especially when I'm posting at some other board. If you have a text entry box in a Safari window and both the text in that box and the window contents are long so that both have a vertical scroll bar, try scrolling with a scroll wheel...

The window scrolls if the mouse is outside the text box. The text box scrolls while the mouse is over the text box. Makes sense.

But now what happens when you're scrolling in the text box and you manage to continue scrolling even though you're at the end of the text box? The damn friggin window starts scrolling. And before you know it you've scrolled the text box out of view and you wonder where the hell your stuff went. The you start scrolling back frantically trying to get back to your damn text box. At some point you will, but then as soon as your mouse is over the text box, the window stops scrolling and you start scrolling your text box entry around - since naturally you didn't move your mouse just the scroll wheel so your pointer will still be hovering exactly over the text field. Of course, you will never get back to where you wanted to insert the cursor to type that last line. To make matters worse, this is totally reversible so you can keep going on like this the whole damn fscking day until you finally realize that you're going into some kind of epileptic mode. You have to move your mouse all the way to the edge of the window to make sure the pointer will never be over the text box, slowly scroll back to the box, and then carefully move the pointer back onto the box and again sloooooowly start scrolling. And don't you dare go too fast!

Now this is just awful GUI behavior. And it's driving me freaking ape shit! :mad: :brick:

Obviously the scroll wheel should only act on what the mouse pointer is focusing on. As long as my pointer is over the text box - no matter where I have scrolled it to - the scroll wheel should never ever have any influence on the parent window. Certainly not until I remove the pointer from the box. :stick:

</rant>
"resident grumpy old man"
This post was edited on 2006-12-08, 06:23 by Simon.
Edit reason: note to self: even when in rant mode, check spelling
Avatar
madra (Administrator) #2
User title: chairman of the bored
since Feb 2006 · 4938 posts · Location: the intarweb
Group memberships: benevolent dictator, co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
here's one of my favourites - related to scrolling but also selecting.

we all know that holding down "shift" allows us to make multiple selections, don't we?.... so picture the following scenario:

i have a folder of images which for some reason i want to make a selection from.  perhaps i want to grab all the ones i took today, or throw all the ones that i don't like in the bin.  the pics all have the usual cryptic filenames, so i start to scroll through them, using the finder's preview pane to decide whether each pic should be added to whatever selection i'm making. i select the first one and check out its preview...
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/scroll01.png]

... then use the down arrow on my keybard to move down the list of images, previewing each one...
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/scroll02.png]


... once i've reached whichever  image, i decide will be the last one in the selection i want to make,  i want to grab it and all the ones above it in the list.  so i hold down the shift key and move the mouse up to the first item and click...
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/scroll03.png]

and the finder deselects the currently selected item and just selects the first item by itself.  even tho' i had the fucking shift key held down!  :mad:
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/scroll04.png]

 so now i have to scroll through the list of feckin' images again, until i find the one i wanted,  click off it and onto it again, then hold down shift and select the first one in the list and only THEN will shift selecting work as it should.

that one gets me all the time and drives me feckin' mad!  :brick:
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/madrasig.png]
madra at work | madra at play
Avatar
euphras #3
since Feb 2006 · 1619 posts · Location: Gießen, Germany
Group memberships: co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
@ Madra: seems like your system is f*cked up, works fine over here (10.4.8).
[Image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/euphras/sig.gif]

Quadra 950, Centris 610, Powermac 6100, iBook dual USB, Powerbook Titanium DVI
Sherman Homan #4
since Oct 2006 · 49 posts · Location: Norwell, MA
Group memberships: co-owner, hardcore appletalker
Show profile · Link to this post
In reply to post #1
"OK, this is something that is driving me crazy. Especially when I'm posting at some other board."

What are these "other boards'? Are there "other boards'? :grin:
http://grumblefix.com
Avatar
euphras #5
since Feb 2006 · 1619 posts · Location: Gießen, Germany
Group memberships: co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
Quote by Sherman Homan:
"OK, this is something that is driving me crazy. Especially when I'm posting at some other board."

What are these "other boards'? Are there "other boards'? :grin:

Well, i also participate in a forum called: "how can i overcome my fora addiction?"  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

 :boogler:
[Image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/euphras/sig.gif]

Quadra 950, Centris 610, Powermac 6100, iBook dual USB, Powerbook Titanium DVI
Avatar
madra (Administrator) #6
User title: chairman of the bored
since Feb 2006 · 4938 posts · Location: the intarweb
Group memberships: benevolent dictator, co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
In reply to post #4
Quote by Sherman Homan:
.....Are there "other boards'? :grin:

no.  and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying!
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/madrasig.png]
madra at work | madra at play
Avatar
Oisín #7
since Feb 2006 · 1236 posts · Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Group memberships: co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
In reply to post #3
Quote by euphras:
@ Madra: seems like your system is f*cked up, works fine over here (10.4.8).

Nope, doesn't work for me, either. Shift-highlighted hardly ever works, though, so I never use it. I've often wondered if shift-highlighted was even supposed to do the same as it does in Windows or not, but apparently it is.
Avatar
madra (Administrator) #8
User title: chairman of the bored
since Feb 2006 · 4938 posts · Location: the intarweb
Group memberships: benevolent dictator, co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
In reply to post #3
Quote by euphras:
@ Madra: seems like your system is f*cked up, works fine over here (10.4.8).

yep.  i think you may have misunderstood. 

[in column view] if you click on a file and then hold down shift and click on another one, all the files in between will be selected, as it should be.  :thumbsup:  

now try this:  select a file, then use the up or down arrow keys to move the selection so  a different file in the list is highlighted.  now hold down shift and try clicking on another one.

for me the behaviour now changes, in that the previously highlighted file is 'dropped' and the newly 'clicked on' one is selected by itself.  :thumbsdown:
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/madrasig.png]
madra at work | madra at play
Avatar
Simon #9
since Feb 2006 · 1803 posts · Location: in front of my Mac
Group memberships: co-owner
Show profile · Link to this post
That's screwed up here too. It's details like these I'd like to see Apple finally address in 10.5.
"resident grumpy old man"
The Texan #10
User title: Psoting Mebmer
since Feb 2006 · 444 posts · Location: Texas. duh.
Group memberships: co-owner, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
This happens to me all the time, too. I thought it was just shift click randomly not working, but you've at least pointed out the trigger. I tend to navigate folders & files by the arrow keys all the time, & often need to gather up a series of files to either archive, or place in anotehr folder, or FTP, or something. Definitely very irritating.

Are there any developers with an ADC account who can see if this is already a registered bug? Seems like it'd have to be.
[Image: http://homepage.mac.com/cvreeland/RadioTejas.png]
Do what you will, but harm none.
Avatar
Gamoe #11
User title: Mac user since 1994
since Feb 2006 · 2368 posts · Location: Mars Colony I
Group memberships: co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
I hear 'ya, Simon. That sort of behavior is not user friendly in any way, and should not occur. But Apple will add some new razzle-dazzle next-gen feature before they correct that little bugger. How long did it take Apple to "fix" the Finder behavior where it could not properly sort numeric file names in list view, resulting in things like "file 10" being listed before "file 10"?? I remember I had an extension in Classic Mac OS just to remedy this little Finder nonsense! Ugh.
PowerMac 6100 (1994) - Unibody MacBook Pro 2.4Ghz
Avatar
madra (Administrator) #12
User title: chairman of the bored
since Feb 2006 · 4938 posts · Location: the intarweb
Group memberships: benevolent dictator, co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
In reply to post #10
Quote by The Texan:
... Are there any developers with an ADC account who can see if this is already a registered bug? Seems like it'd have to be...


i dunno if i'd be grandiose enough to call myself a 'developer', but i've got the freebie ADC account.  unfortunately the bug reporter disnae let you browse existing bugs, you've just  got to submit your own, in an information vacuum - but if it wasnae already a registered bug, it is now!

bug no.  4874277.
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/madrasig.png]
madra at work | madra at play
Avatar
euphras #13
since Feb 2006 · 1619 posts · Location: Gießen, Germany
Group memberships: co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
Quote by madra:
bug no.  4874277.

Wow, that's a whole lotta bugs :eek:  :eek:
[Image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/euphras/sig.gif]

Quadra 950, Centris 610, Powermac 6100, iBook dual USB, Powerbook Titanium DVI
Avatar
madra (Administrator) #14
User title: chairman of the bored
since Feb 2006 · 4938 posts · Location: the intarweb
Group memberships: benevolent dictator, co-owner, happy snapper, hardcore appletalker, scrapbook monkey
Show profile · Link to this post
Quote by euphras:
Wow, that's a whole lotta bugs :eek:  :eek:

i wonder if that's an all-time no. or just those related to OSX?... or tiger?

hmmm... i wonder what tracking no. you'd end up wi if you reported a bug in windoze?


[EDIT:]  silly me.  there's only one - windoze is just one big gigantic bug.  :laugh:
[Image: http://www.appletalker.com/grafix/madrasig.png]
madra at work | madra at play
Sherman Homan #15
since Oct 2006 · 49 posts · Location: Norwell, MA
Group memberships: co-owner, hardcore appletalker
Show profile · Link to this post
  silly me.  there's only one - windoze is just one big gigantic bug.  :laugh:

My favorite Windoze story:
Question from audience member: "What is the most secure way of protecting my data?"
Panel member answer: "Install Windows ME, that way no one, not even yourself, will ever be able to get at that data."
It took a full five seconds of silence before anyone started to laugh!
http://grumblefix.com
Close Smaller – Larger + Reply to this post:
Verification code: VeriCode Please note the verification code from the picture into the text field next to it.
smileys: :smile: :wink: :grin: :tongue: :laugh: :hmm: :doh: :-( :cool: :rolleyes: :loon: :confused: :brick: :mad: :squint: :censor: :cry: :eek: :stick: :zzz: :thumbsup: :thumbsdown: :vomit: :blush: :cheers: :crossed: :boogler: :clown: :scrap: :irked: :ohyeah: :devil: :skull: :simon:
Special characters:
Page:  1  2  next 
Go to forum
all content © appletalker 2006 - 2010. powered by UNB 1.6.4 - site design by madra.net [with valued contribution from appletalker users].
Page created in 342,7 ms (223,3 ms) · 136 database queries in 97,9 ms
Current time: 2010-09-08, 09:25:11 (UTC +01:00)